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we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan: they're not. >> andrea: what is the plan. >> juan: put on the table change the cpi and change the rate of growth. >> what table? >> eric: slow the rate of growth is not a cut. >> juan: it is. >> eric: it's not. >> juan: even boehner says it's a cut. the left thinks it's a cut. secondly, the president has -- go up to 400 if you want. so what we are talking about is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep tax cuts. you think republicans would celebrate. >> drinking the kool-aid. >> eric: i agree with you that the republicans are no better in this debate. >> juan: oh, well the
we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan:...
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we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles commission. the most important thing, we have to deal with spending. we live in an america where the federal government now is spending 25% of our gross domestic product. when you study the obama budget that would increase to 32%. that's where the problem has to i am emanate from. the spending side of our budget is 62% of what we spend money on. it's not just about defense or discretionary. >> is there any indication the president's deal, that he may come back with, will address spending? i haven't heard substantial spending cuts out of any deals on the left. >> absolutely you are not hearing that whatsoev
we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles...
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you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these condit
you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time....
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. >> they quickly cut the deficit by slowing the growth of social security but the senate says there is a little bit of movement when they are compromising which americans should should get ready to pay a higher tax rate. >> reporter: in an unusual move republicans here on capitol hill called on the nation's number 2 democrat, vice president joe biden, to help in negotiations, this as the white house puts the blame on the impasse on the gop. >> they say the biggest priority is making sure we deal with the deficit in a serious way. the way they are behaving is the only priority is making sure tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> reporter: if a deal is not reached the president wants controlled senate to introduce legislation to keep tax cuts for couples earning up to $250,000 a year and keep unemployment benefits. here is an example of the move: the house speaker's last offer was maintaining tax cuts for $1 million or more or less, rather, the president was saying it has to be $250,000 or less. now democrats numberses moved up to possibly 350,000 or $400,000, so,
. >> they quickly cut the deficit by slowing the growth of social security but the senate says there is a little bit of movement when they are compromising which americans should should get ready to pay a higher tax rate. >> reporter: in an unusual move republicans here on capitol hill called on the nation's number 2 democrat, vice president joe biden, to help in negotiations, this as the white house puts the blame on the impasse on the gop. >> they say the biggest priority is...
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we still have the looming 16 trillion plus budget deficit. remember that? and the politicians they are taking their time on that as well. we will ask house budget committee member south carolina republican congressman when joins us live later this hour. he is worried that the talks have not addressed spending. so we have to address that. >> breaking news now in the benghazi terror attacks in libya. president obama this morning told "meet the press" the u.s. now has some "very good leads" about who carried out the deadly strike. >> there was sloppiness, not intentional in terms of how we secure embassies in areas where you essentially don't have governments that have a lot of capacity to protect the embassies. so we are are doing a thorough review. not only will we implement all of the recommendations that were made but we will try to do more than that. with respect to who carried it out, that is an ongoing investigation. the fbi has sent individuals to libya repeatedly. we have some very good leads, but this is not something that i'm going to be at liberty
we still have the looming 16 trillion plus budget deficit. remember that? and the politicians they are taking their time on that as well. we will ask house budget committee member south carolina republican congressman when joins us live later this hour. he is worried that the talks have not addressed spending. so we have to address that. >> breaking news now in the benghazi terror attacks in libya. president obama this morning told "meet the press" the u.s. now has some...
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christmas should be a day of joy and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts and police helps for time with their families. >> glad we can do it. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in the new york area, still without homes because of hurricane sandy, volunteers tried to deliver holiday spirit, handing out food, toys and blankets at relief centers. >> people came out to help people. you can't put a price on that or buy that either. >> reporter: in places spared direct tragedy americans marked it with their own ways keeping those less fortunate in their thoughts. >> when people are suffering and going through hardship, many, many people come to offer their help in whatever they can do. >> reporter: across the nation, americans attended church services and spent time with family and friends. at the mitchell home out
christmas should be a day of joy and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts and police helps for time with their families. >> glad we can do it. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in...
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there was going to be no deficit reduction. unbelievable, unbelievable that all the money was going to be out the door as soon as it came in. as a matter of fact, before it came in, it was going to be spent. so, mr. president, i just want to say i know the president enjoys heckling and having pep rallies to try to get congress to act instead of sitting down and actually negotiating, but i hope that what's going to happen is we will end up following through on the reductions in spending that need to take place to replace this sequester. i will also add just for what it's worth the last time we extended unemployment insurance, we paid for it. the last time we did not cause the doc fix s.g.r. to go into place, we paid for it. and i hope that as this negotiation goes forth, we keep the same principles in place that we've had. this country has over $16 trillion in debt. sequester was put in place because we couldn't reach an agreement on reductions, but we knew they had to take place. and, mr. president, i hope we will continue to h
there was going to be no deficit reduction. unbelievable, unbelievable that all the money was going to be out the door as soon as it came in. as a matter of fact, before it came in, it was going to be spent. so, mr. president, i just want to say i know the president enjoys heckling and having pep rallies to try to get congress to act instead of sitting down and actually negotiating, but i hope that what's going to happen is we will end up following through on the reductions in spending that...
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none of us want tax increases but at the end of the day trillion dollars deficits are bad, too. trillion dollars deficits every year as far as the eye can see, that's a tax on our kids, our grandchildren, on people who have saved their whole lives and done the responsible things. trillion dollars deficits are a tax, too, and that's what we have to understand. >> it's not good leadership to pass the buck, especially on future generations. they don't deserve to pay for our problems ander responsibility. what do you think is the biggest problem with raising taxes on the wealthy? it's so easy for them to say raise the taxes on the rich, punish them? >> well, the president likes to say the rich needs to pay their fair share for the tax burden of the united states. the funny thing is, actually 23 you look at all the developed countries in the world, the u.s. tax code is the most progressive in the entire world. the wealthiest americans pay the largest share of the tax burden in the u.s., much more so than in european countries. >> the boehner plan b and the some of the things the pres
none of us want tax increases but at the end of the day trillion dollars deficits are bad, too. trillion dollars deficits every year as far as the eye can see, that's a tax on our kids, our grandchildren, on people who have saved their whole lives and done the responsible things. trillion dollars deficits are a tax, too, and that's what we have to understand. >> it's not good leadership to pass the buck, especially on future generations. they don't deserve to pay for our problems ander...
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can you imagine how much deficit spending we can get in a year without a cap? >> i am thinking the stock market is because we have hours before the i ball drops, the calm before the storm and watch out wednesday. what do you think in. >> well, watch out wednesday, that is the point. if you look at market the last two weeks, people have been selling ahead of the deal so it is a sell the news type of issue. charles hit the point on the head. this is not a tax issue whether it is $450,000 or $500,000 or $1 million. it is the spending issue. the democrats want to raise the debt ceiling and do not want spending cuts cuts and no sequestration. >> what will happen on wednesday? >> again, i want to caution the stock market will not be the best barometer. >> why? i thought the message was always in the markets especially the interest rate. rates were way up. >> but there is in fear on wall street. there is a total disconnect between that and the fact that in some ways all the nonsense makes stocks and hard assets like gold and silver the only way to invest. when you see
can you imagine how much deficit spending we can get in a year without a cap? >> i am thinking the stock market is because we have hours before the i ball drops, the calm before the storm and watch out wednesday. what do you think in. >> well, watch out wednesday, that is the point. if you look at market the last two weeks, people have been selling ahead of the deal so it is a sell the news type of issue. charles hit the point on the head. this is not a tax issue whether it is...
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too much deficit reduction, too quickly, and we could push the economy into a recession. that's just dumb. >> it is very dumb. now, you've been in many, many, many of these negotiations? you've been in the backrooms of a lot of the ongoing negotiations, now, do you think they have any chance of getting a deal before the first of the year? >> i'm always hopeful, but i'm less hopeful as every day passes. the problem is the rhetoric that's flying back and forth between republicans and democrats sounds like we're still having an election that it never was over. i think that now -- now that we've had an election, and the american public has spoken, whatever they meant, it's time for the politicians to get together, come together as starbucks is saying, and get something done. nobody's going to get everything they want. but it's so much more important to solve the problem than for one side or the other to get what they want or blame the other. the atmosphere is just wrong. >> when you hear the argument for going over the cliff. when it's been told to me by both democrats and re
too much deficit reduction, too quickly, and we could push the economy into a recession. that's just dumb. >> it is very dumb. now, you've been in many, many, many of these negotiations? you've been in the backrooms of a lot of the ongoing negotiations, now, do you think they have any chance of getting a deal before the first of the year? >> i'm always hopeful, but i'm less hopeful as every day passes. the problem is the rhetoric that's flying back and forth between republicans and...
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got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house reconvenes on sunday. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> and there's your green, the doug, s&p and even the s&p are now all slightly in the green now. what happened here as, of course, the dow was down earlier today by nearly 150 points
got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house...
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federal pension fund is running dry, they posted a $34 billion deficit just for this year. and there is new worries it could o belly up. that is on top of the fha, federal housing agency, saying it is $16 billion in the red, if they get tapped out, and need a bailout, get ready to shell out. jonathan is all fed up. most people don't know about it i don't think it is a question of if, i think but when they need a bailout. >> if you look at the statistics, the economics, it is likely they will need taxpayer assistance, this is a branch of government, a part of government lost a billion dollars in 2012, it is only 70% funded, it is cash flow negative, an and $34 billion deficit, and 300 300 million of exposure to risky mentioned that will likely have to assume. just like the savings lone insurance scheme a few decade ago, it is my opinion they will need a taxpayer bailout. tom: it is a mouthful pbgc, pension benefit -- corporation, most don't know about it unless are a united airline pilot or delta or bethlehem steel, there are hundreds of plans they took over. but the pilots
federal pension fund is running dry, they posted a $34 billion deficit just for this year. and there is new worries it could o belly up. that is on top of the fha, federal housing agency, saying it is $16 billion in the red, if they get tapped out, and need a bailout, get ready to shell out. jonathan is all fed up. most people don't know about it i don't think it is a question of if, i think but when they need a bailout. >> if you look at the statistics, the economics, it is likely they...
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you know, any deal will likely not address the deficit. so what we can expect from lawmakers, after the deadline is over. we will take a look at that. >> heather: a few more arguments. russian president vladimir putin is putting adoptions on hold for american families, like this boy, four years old. his future is on hoild because the president of russia says so. what his american abts adoptive parents have to say to putin. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy,
you know, any deal will likely not address the deficit. so what we can expect from lawmakers, after the deadline is over. we will take a look at that. >> heather: a few more arguments. russian president vladimir putin is putting adoptions on hold for american families, like this boy, four years old. his future is on hoild because the president of russia says so. what his american abts adoptive parents have to say to putin. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male...
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. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president reach a deal. if they don't reach a deal on december 31, which is my prediction, i believe sometime before the end of january, they will reach a deal. but my goodness. one of the things that is frustrating is we have known this day was coming for the last two years. yet here we are, 72 hours away and we don't have a resolution. gregg: this is a contrivance that they are desperately trying to fix. our member the president said in a debate, the debate, he said that i didn't come up with this. then bob woodward came out and said, yes, you did. you know, both a top aide
. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president...
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we are looking at the deficit of this year and looking at deficit of that size as far as the eye can see and not how to put together a minor package as chuck was talking about. this is the larger deal. the problem you have, obviously, not much time so i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. dealing with the immediate dynamics to, in fact, set up a situation to deal with the larger situation. but ultimately, here, the other element to occur is this is a real negotiating process. i have to say i was disappointed in the president when he used this line, when the speaker said to him, hey, i'm giving you $800 billion. what do i zbhet the president's response was nothing. the white house has to come up with -- >> the response of the white house is times is different. 2011 is 2011. doesn't speaker boehner get less out of a smaller deal? >> no, no. i think he wants a larger deal and going back to august of 2011, they were -- they got very close to the large deal. richard, pushing back in terms of a little bit in terms, look, this is a negotiating process. one side can't say you
we are looking at the deficit of this year and looking at deficit of that size as far as the eye can see and not how to put together a minor package as chuck was talking about. this is the larger deal. the problem you have, obviously, not much time so i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. dealing with the immediate dynamics to, in fact, set up a situation to deal with the larger situation. but ultimately, here, the other element to occur is this is a real negotiating process. i...
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extending tax cuts while doing nothing to curb spending or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, virtually everyone's income taxes will go up. even if the income taxes are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paychecks, starting in january, where the temporary 2% payroll tax cut is set to expire. don't assume there will be a mini-deal, a source close to the meetings going on tonight, the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. of course, this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401(k)s. the stock market, five straight losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. if these lawmakers thought that waiting to the 11th hour wouldn't have an effect, look no further than the stock market. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, it's real money. the average 401(k) lost $3,000, $4,000. december is traditionally a good month
extending tax cuts while doing nothing to curb spending or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, virtually everyone's income taxes will go up. even if the income taxes are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paychecks, starting in january, where the temporary 2% payroll tax cut is set to expire. don't assume there will be a mini-deal, a source close to the meetings going on tonight, the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get...
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. >> catherine, isn't it their deficit in large part deficit? >> of course, but they have political amnesia. ideology is the science of idiots. here's one of these moments where when you live inside the box and refuse to look at empirical evidence, refuse to understand history to show us how economies work, how tax cuts or increases affect populations, then they are going to follow this line of idiocy over their own, i think, political cliff. and the partisanship is going to wreak tremendous havoc on the republican party in the upcoming elections. >> we have limited time. i want to go back to john harwood. is there a time here, john, when we're going to see the markets start to react or are we expecting most traders to wait until after the first to make big decisions? >> i think that's when they reacted. if we go over the cliff, even for a couple of days, you're going to see a reaction. i think at the end of the day you will see action if we go over the cliff for a couple of days, because i don't agree with jonathan that they are immune to publi
. >> catherine, isn't it their deficit in large part deficit? >> of course, but they have political amnesia. ideology is the science of idiots. here's one of these moments where when you live inside the box and refuse to look at empirical evidence, refuse to understand history to show us how economies work, how tax cuts or increases affect populations, then they are going to follow this line of idiocy over their own, i think, political cliff. and the partisanship is going to wreak...
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extending tax cuts while doing nothing to curb spending or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, almost everyone's income taxes will go up. even if the income taxes are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paycheck as the temporary tax increase is set to inspire. the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401 cans. the stock market, five straight losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, it's real money. lost 3,000, $4,000. december is traditionally a good month for the markets. >> and for home sales. here's what the president had to say about that. >> america wonder why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last m
extending tax cuts while doing nothing to curb spending or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, almost everyone's income taxes will go up. even if the income taxes are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paycheck as the temporary tax increase is set to inspire. the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon...
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deal, if it's to be reached, will not be the so- called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit lionction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts ulr the defense department and peher government programs. it looks like those cuts will go forward. what the president said today is 24 hours from now the senate leaders have to have a plan that deals with income taxes at a rate to be determined later, the threshold of that income-- and some federal benefit. and if they don't reach a deal, he will have his own plan "b." >> if we don't see an agreement hetween the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor, and i've asked senator reid to do this, put a eill on the floor that makes tare that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still ploylable for two million people, and that lays the dioundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in ane new year. but let's not miss this deadline. neat's bare minimum that we s
deal, if it's to be reached, will not be the so- called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit lionction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts ulr the defense department and peher government programs. it looks like those cuts will go forward. what the president said today is 24 hours from now the senate leaders have to have a plan that deals with income taxes at a rate to be determined later, the...
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the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, it would let many things like the alternative minimum tax hit the middle class. it would have a big, broad-based sequester that goes into place, not gradually, like we would want, to help not derail an economic recovery, but abruptly, and it deals with the wrong parts of the budget. so what you want to do is replace this big amount deficit reduction, all hitting just at the time when the economic recovery is starting to take hold, with a more thoughtful plan that's phased in gradually. so it doesn't do too much deficit reduction up-front, but it puts in the necessary changes to health care cost, retirement, tax reform, all over time and puts us on a sustainable path to a better place. >> let me ask you a central question. is america different from europe? can america continue to run huge budget deficits, because the feds can buy treasuries and prop up the market, and be
the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, it would let many things like the alternative minimum tax hit the middle class. it would have a big, broad-based sequester that goes into place, not gradually, like we would want, to help not derail an economic recovery, but abruptly, and it deals with the wrong parts of the...
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it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will check back in with you. thank you so much. again, the update, the highlight there from kelly o'donnell. there's been a major setback at this point in negotiations. according to democratic sources telling some democrats they are in a worse place in the negotiations now than they have been in some time. we're keeping a close eye on capitol hill. all the fiscal cliff business, maybe we put it aside at some point. we are not going to talk about that. by all accounts, 2013 should be a year of economic recovery. it should be. in a new article in
it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will...
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we have a $16 trillion deficit right now. we have the deficit because of social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps -- all policies put into effect by the democratic party. everything is socialism. thomas jefferson said it best -- the republic is doomed. people sacrifice -- i'm a libertarian. i am more objective. i'm not a republican or democrats. i have to wonder if i want to live in this country. 29% of americans got some kind of assistance when ronald reagan was president. i have to consider and i'm considering moving to a tropical island and watching america go down the drain. we need to abolish social security, medicare, and medicaid. host: i will stop you there. we appreciate your thoughts. joseph says -- will go back to stay but by the president on the passing of norman schwarzkopf. host: "his legacy will e ndure." back to your calls. caller: good morning. god bless us. [indiscernible] where is the love? .e're at a church when the president and everybody was running. the church was all over the program.
we have a $16 trillion deficit right now. we have the deficit because of social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps -- all policies put into effect by the democratic party. everything is socialism. thomas jefferson said it best -- the republic is doomed. people sacrifice -- i'm a libertarian. i am more objective. i'm not a republican or democrats. i have to wonder if i want to live in this country. 29% of americans got some kind of assistance when ronald reagan was president. i...
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and so the deficit increased rather than declined. so it went from 220 billion in 1990 to 269 billion in 1991, 290 billion in 1992. i think that's directly relevant today because i think the obama tax increases are more likely to lose revenue rather than to gain revenue. for example -- >> clayton: we know what happened with president george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new tax and ended up going forward with some of those tax increases to part of the negotiation and democrats didn't come forward with entitlement cuts that were enough to actually counteract some of those tax increases. could we be seeing the exact same thing today? >> well, yes. for example, one big tax increase in the obama tax increase package is the capital gains tax rate is going to go up 58% on the higher income taxpayers. and so now in the last 50 years, every time the capital gains tax rate has been raised, capital gains revenues have declined rather than increased. and every time the capital gains tax rate has been cut, capital gains revenues increased rather th
and so the deficit increased rather than declined. so it went from 220 billion in 1990 to 269 billion in 1991, 290 billion in 1992. i think that's directly relevant today because i think the obama tax increases are more likely to lose revenue rather than to gain revenue. for example -- >> clayton: we know what happened with president george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new tax and ended up going forward with some of those tax increases to part of the negotiation and democrats didn't come...
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they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both believe it's better to go over the falls than cut a deal that's going to hurt them at home. tea party people don't respond to boehner or to cantor or mccarthy or any of them. somebody in the next tea party is going to be yelling from the back, you sold us out. i think that's why the tea party is never going to be functional. they don't really respond to getting things done. they respond to anger back home. >> i think 2014 democrats are also aware of these tax incre
they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play...
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that contributes to deficit reduction. they said this is consistent with the bipartisan commission approach. yes, he did say that and, yes, we don't have that and, yes, we are approaching this deadline. >> how do you negotiate with someone who said during the campaign over and over three dollars in cuts for are one dollar in revenue and now neither side is going to get everything that they want. but the house republicans have said okay, we'll find $800 billion in revenue but give us the $2.4 trillion in it cuts and he has not been willing to do that. so the last ditch effort the hail hary pass was the house of representatives saying fine let's take nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's bill that they proposed thi summer to extend the tax rates on every household and every small business a million dollars and below, allow them to go up on the million dollars and above which is the current law on january 1, let's do that. that ought to be something we can agree on. let me add this. when we he voted on our bill in the house this s
that contributes to deficit reduction. they said this is consistent with the bipartisan commission approach. yes, he did say that and, yes, we don't have that and, yes, we are approaching this deadline. >> how do you negotiate with someone who said during the campaign over and over three dollars in cuts for are one dollar in revenue and now neither side is going to get everything that they want. but the house republicans have said okay, we'll find $800 billion in revenue but give us the...
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this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for banks? new analysis shows that the expiration ever tax cuts will improve bank savings in 2013, by, listen to this, 54%. in other words, people will need to pull their cash savings out to pay for higher taxes. here now is dan geller, executive vice president of market rates insight. dan, good to have you here. walk me through this math. you're saying the average american is going to put 54% less into savings this year because if we go over the fiscal cliff? explain. >> yeah. let's go back, michelle because the amount of taxation on an average household is effort mated at $2600, and right now the average
this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for...
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working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour notice. they are very much out there in play. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when the senate returns tomorrow morning, there will be a new emphasis on members taking a larger role in the fiscal cliff negotiations that based off the current offer may only have a smaller deal. a member of the budget committee and outspoken voice on the left side of the aisle.
working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal...
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amazon is fighting many deficit fronts, fighting google, netflix, fighting apple. when eventually everything comes home to roost, amazon will have their rollover period. when it gets down to the 218 range, we welcome take some off but i think it will go over and crack the $200 level. >> you wont to go an that one? >> no. i think it could have trouble going forward and perhaps that outage on christmas eve on netflix showed the kink in the armor on their web services. >>> wrapping to the highest level in 21 months, the yen hits mult multilevel lows versus the u.s. dollar. let's bring in kathy. great to have you. nice to see you. >> great to be on. >> certainly is a popular trade these days. is it too crowded and likely tie soon? >> there's your question. well, basically the yen trade is the trade of the year that everyone was calling for in 2013. we've already seen a huge move. so i think that, you know, there's a lot of people who have ran into the trade over the past month. i think that, you know, while there's still fundamental reasons for the dollar yen to move h
amazon is fighting many deficit fronts, fighting google, netflix, fighting apple. when eventually everything comes home to roost, amazon will have their rollover period. when it gets down to the 218 range, we welcome take some off but i think it will go over and crack the $200 level. >> you wont to go an that one? >> no. i think it could have trouble going forward and perhaps that outage on christmas eve on netflix showed the kink in the armor on their web services. >>>...
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democrats and republicans agreed to these drastic cuts last year, to force both parties to the table on deficit reduction. if they can agree by monday at midnight, the following cut take effects. over the next nine years, the u.s. defense budget would be reduced by $455 billion. domestic programs would be slashed by 464 billion. 1,000 government programs face potential cuts, including three that directly impact air travel. john bentley has the story. >> reporter: long waits at airport security are nothing new. but if the u.s. government goes over the fiscal cliff, they could get even longer. according to one congressional analysis, the transportation security administration would lose more than $640 million in funding, roughly 7% of out budget. t.s.a. with would also lose over 7,000 security officers. safety would not be compromised. the passenger misery would increase. >> it could be a severe impact on the traveling public. instead of maybe one hour, you may be there two or three hours before. >> reporter: long lines would be the least of the problems. under the mandatory cuts of the fiscal cl
democrats and republicans agreed to these drastic cuts last year, to force both parties to the table on deficit reduction. if they can agree by monday at midnight, the following cut take effects. over the next nine years, the u.s. defense budget would be reduced by $455 billion. domestic programs would be slashed by 464 billion. 1,000 government programs face potential cuts, including three that directly impact air travel. john bentley has the story. >> reporter: long waits at airport...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count two democratic offers came back to republicans and four came back from republicans to democrats. the last one being at 7:00 last night, and, boom, after that, things pretty much came to a standsti standstill.
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the...
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the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i don't think there's anything to that, but the reality is that if he wants to get anything done, he has two options. he either breaks the republicans on taxes, or he breaks the republicans. i read that somewhere, and i thought it was a fantastic quote. but i do think that he is going -- i don't think any of us want to see the country go off the cliff. gregg: maybe he just didn't think $16 trillion in debt is a big deal, basil? >> i think he thinks it's a big deal if we go off this cliff. we're talking about two million folks that will not get unemployment anymore, i don't think an
the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i...
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it will add to what is already shaping up as a large production deficit. it's interesting, because in the middle of the year, they were saying 2013 we were going to have a big production surplus. doesn't look like it's going to go that way. however, it would be a help. this is not another gold or silver from the standpoint of causing a super explosion, in my opinion. >> what about oil, gas, the other liquids? >> i don't like natural gas. natural gas has kind of been a favorite because its long term prospects are excellent. if you ask me two, three, five years from now, i would be very bullish. right now we have record supplies. weather doesn't look that great. at least for the first part of the year, i don't particularly like it. now, crude oil over supplied market, more than abundant supply but i'm bullish. there's too much going on geopolitically. if we do have even this modest improvement in global demand for industrial commodities we talked about in copper, we will see that translate. i would not be short crude. i would be looking to buy weakness in cr
it will add to what is already shaping up as a large production deficit. it's interesting, because in the middle of the year, they were saying 2013 we were going to have a big production surplus. doesn't look like it's going to go that way. however, it would be a help. this is not another gold or silver from the standpoint of causing a super explosion, in my opinion. >> what about oil, gas, the other liquids? >> i don't like natural gas. natural gas has kind of been a favorite...
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the facts is, if you're serious about this debt, if you're serious about deficit reduction, we have to be able to both get some new revenue. asking millionaires to pay a little bit more in marginal rates. we have to get serious about how we're going to do spending cuts in the right way. republicans have said department of defense shouldn't be on the table. we shouldn't demand more of the 50 seat accountability from across government. we are putting spending cuts on the table and investing for economic growth on the table. we need to stop having a discussion about who the bad guy is and start getting serious about getting this done. >> good luck on sunday night. we're all looking forward to seeing what you guys get done on sunday night when you're back in session. it's good to have you on. we have a market flash. >>> michelle, want to take a check on the share of facebook today. reversing some of the losses on reports that ichb stay gram had lost 25% of its users since it changed its service. the data came from a firm called app data. doing a bit of a deeper dive saying that the drop in
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theses why we're getting massive deficits today. we have never had anything like this without a major war. you can rightly wrap the knuckles of george bush, but that does not excuse president obama for what he has done. democrats and republicans share blame for what happened with the federal reserve, not calling them to read and counto account. even though i am a republican, i am for candidates who do those things. host: c-span democrat tweets in, which your flat tax treat capital gains as income? guest: my proposal would not. if you get the rate low enough, that would be a compromise i would be happy to make. that is a kind of conversation we should be having, how we get the rate as low as possible. if you get that very low rate, i will be a supporter of it. host: independence day tweets in, are you telling us you will stop investing if capital gains rate goes up to equal the ordinary income rate? guest: it is not a matter what we do in our own business, media has gone through a real convulsion. in terms of when you make an investm
theses why we're getting massive deficits today. we have never had anything like this without a major war. you can rightly wrap the knuckles of george bush, but that does not excuse president obama for what he has done. democrats and republicans share blame for what happened with the federal reserve, not calling them to read and counto account. even though i am a republican, i am for candidates who do those things. host: c-span democrat tweets in, which your flat tax treat capital gains as...
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goes to the deficit in reality. it seems to me that that number comes up and is a political situation and what congress is really saying is that i am going to pander to the 98% because if i go to 125%, i will upset more of the electorate. i was listening to david brooks this morning and his comments that the real dysfunctional people are not necessarily congress, but the american people who are prepared to pass these deficits on to our grandchildren. >> have you looked at how any tax increases might affect you? had you planned for that at all? caller: i am comfortable enough, i am planned -- and i plan to give more. i would hope that most people in my financial situation would be prepared to do that. >> the democratic line is next, california. donna, hello. caller: i would like to state -- i think that one of our biggest problems is that the republican party has sold us out to grovers inquest. i think that everyone who took that pledge should be fired from the congress. they took an oath of office first. they have g
goes to the deficit in reality. it seems to me that that number comes up and is a political situation and what congress is really saying is that i am going to pander to the 98% because if i go to 125%, i will upset more of the electorate. i was listening to david brooks this morning and his comments that the real dysfunctional people are not necessarily congress, but the american people who are prepared to pass these deficits on to our grandchildren. >> have you looked at how any tax...
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. >> they say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way, but the way they're behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> reporter: but senators say there is some movement on the issue. >> there's a lot of give and take going on right now, but republicans doan want to see new revenues, in other words, democrat tax increases, beused for new spending. >> the president has said if there is no deal by the end of the day, the senate should draw up legislation to extend the bush-era tax cuts for the middle class. >> there should be an up or down vote. everybody should have a right to vote on that. you know, if republicans don't like it, they can vote no, but i actually think there's a majority support for making sure that middle-class families are held harmless. >> a white house proposal to increase estate taxes also held things up over the weekend. even if they pass some sort of legislation today it still has to get through the republican controlled house. terrell? >> not loo
. >> they say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way, but the way they're behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> reporter: but senators say there is some movement on the issue. >> there's a lot of give and take going on right now, but republicans doan want to see new revenues, in other words, democrat tax increases, beused for new spending. >>...
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. >> they say the biggest priority is making sure they deal with the deficit in a significant way. they are behaving in a way that they're only priority is that the tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. blacks mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. -- >> mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. >> can the senate veteran help congress tumble to a deal on the last day? >> if we do go off the fiscal cliff, congress would be more likely to make a deal. members could claim they are cutting taxes. >> thank you. if america does fall off the fiscal cliff on the first of the year, maryland would be hit hard. hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs lost. >> we have a lot of federal workers and businesses that rely on the federal government. many are watching the negotiations closely. if partisan politics prevail and they cannot reach a deal, americans in maryland will burden will -- will be burdened. legislativent of observances had a report about what the impact would be. if we fall off the fiscal cliff. maryland will lose $178 million in funding next ye
. >> they say the biggest priority is making sure they deal with the deficit in a significant way. they are behaving in a way that they're only priority is that the tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. blacks mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. -- >> mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. >> can the senate veteran help congress tumble to a deal on the last day? >> if we do go off the fiscal cliff, congress would be more likely to make a deal. members...
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paul rooip, the big deficit guy, or so he says, he was on the simpson-bowles commission, and he voted against it, as did every other house republican on the commission. the white house saw no reason to embrace something that raised taxes so sky high and so the white house brought out something that was frankly to the right of simpson-bowles. their budget was to its right and they thought it had a better chance of passing. they thought it was a compromise. but the house republicans did not respond the same way. when they brought out the ryan budget, which was their budget alternative, they didn't compromise. they went way to the right. there was no xriemz compromise t all. that is fact number one. number two, in 2010 republicans won the midterm election. 2011 the white house agreed to a deal that was all spending tucu. it is the budget control act. it cuts spending by $1.8 trillion over the next decade. except for an increase in pell grants, the bill is all cuts, no taxes. and democrats agree to that. they agreed. that is fact number two. fact number three. at this point even after win
paul rooip, the big deficit guy, or so he says, he was on the simpson-bowles commission, and he voted against it, as did every other house republican on the commission. the white house saw no reason to embrace something that raised taxes so sky high and so the white house brought out something that was frankly to the right of simpson-bowles. their budget was to its right and they thought it had a better chance of passing. they thought it was a compromise. but the house republicans did not...
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direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that without objection tend all of those bush tax rates into the future and would turn off the sequester by switching defense cuts over to domestic programs. democrats, of course have no intention of doing that. especially after president obama won the election. senate democratic leadership aide tells me that will remains a 50/50 chance we will get a mini deal temporary extension of tax cuts under $250,000 before the january 1 deadline when we would go over the cliff. will are no assurances of that. a white house official told me as president obama prepares to fly back to conduct and participate in the negotiations at the end, there has been n
direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that without objection tend all of...
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i'm shaving a little bit off of this year's deficit. we're going to have fiscal problems for as far as the eye can see, an here's where an investor, a smart investor is going to want to diversify, especially into things like tangible assets like gold. >> you're going to make the case for gold here, which, you know, has had a heck of a run for the last decade or so, but it has started to show signs of wear and tear. what would propel gold from here necessarily? >> well, two things that i would have your viewers take a look at. the first is the reason why gold has kind of flattened out at about 1650 or so is because a huge amount of supply has come on the market. there's a lot of profit-takers who are worried about increased taxes next year. as you said, they have made a lot of money on gold, so they are selling it right now and locking in those profits. the other thing to look at that very few investors have caught on to but when i was at the mint we studied this, gold demand and gold prices correlate very well with the national debt cei
i'm shaving a little bit off of this year's deficit. we're going to have fiscal problems for as far as the eye can see, an here's where an investor, a smart investor is going to want to diversify, especially into things like tangible assets like gold. >> you're going to make the case for gold here, which, you know, has had a heck of a run for the last decade or so, but it has started to show signs of wear and tear. what would propel gold from here necessarily? >> well, two things...
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what do you do about deficits? the truth is doing nothing at this point is the best impact they can have on deficits, because taxes will go up, spending will go down. that's the point of this deal. so to come to your point, yeah, i guess they could suddenly hug each other and do had this dance, but the reality is there are a lot of people who think, what we are dealing with is deficits because the budget looks better and we'll deal with the economy some other way. >> doing nothing is what they do best. mike, before we let you go, ed mackey malden running for the united states senate in massachusetts. >> he's never run statewide. do you agree with this? i think scott brown is smiling this morning? i think a race against ed markey well-known in washington, respected here and has taken strong positions on climate change and other issues. he's not a household name in massachusetts. scott brown is. there's a totally different electorate in this special election. scott brown likes this match upup. mike, would you call hi
what do you do about deficits? the truth is doing nothing at this point is the best impact they can have on deficits, because taxes will go up, spending will go down. that's the point of this deal. so to come to your point, yeah, i guess they could suddenly hug each other and do had this dance, but the reality is there are a lot of people who think, what we are dealing with is deficits because the budget looks better and we'll deal with the economy some other way. >> doing nothing is what...
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long-term consequence of leaving things the way they are in the fiscal cliff takes $7.3 trillion out of deficit over ten years, isn't that what we really have to do? it seems to me i would really be interested in investing in american equities if i knew the financial situation was under hold >> you say the ends justify the means, no matter how painful? >> it doesn't matter how painful it is and it will be a short shallow recession if we go into it. if we kick the can down the road as so many of you are saying we hope would happen. that's not what should happen for the long-term future of the country. >> you're saying, come on, folks, let's settle. it won't be that big of a deal. right? >> i do disagree with howard a little bit in that i don't think cutting $7.3 trillion, the way this deal says that we should, is the best way to -- to deal with our long-term budget issues. kind of like, you know, you know you have to lose weight so you starve yourself as opposed to some sort of pragmatic balance of, you know, diet and exercise and this deal doesn't get you to the pragmatic part. the flip side, o
long-term consequence of leaving things the way they are in the fiscal cliff takes $7.3 trillion out of deficit over ten years, isn't that what we really have to do? it seems to me i would really be interested in investing in american equities if i knew the financial situation was under hold >> you say the ends justify the means, no matter how painful? >> it doesn't matter how painful it is and it will be a short shallow recession if we go into it. if we kick the can down the road...